Money , March 2001.
(Source http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00547ch )
Key points:
- Karl Max das capital
- Can everything be bought down to the influence of money?
- Power of money- speaks of bible testaments - Importance of money or capital being the root of all evil.
- Materialistic society the moral nature of that (bad in bible).
- Capitalism contains within itself the seeds of its own destruction.
- Niall Ferguson on Marx's Captial: - "the driving force of history is the process of class conflict. Crisis of capitalism. But Marx didn't understand the financial markets as he had no relationship with it."
- Industrial revolution - economic revolution.
- Does economic development lead to democratisation? no.
- Social, economic development. Democracy.
- Political culture - how some democracies survives economic depression.
- Without economic depression, the nazi party wouldn't have made it.
- US suffered second worse dose of recession -
- The economy is the first point to start analysing historical causes.
- The pursuit of power is economic in disguise.
- Themes of war, economics and politics a bit too deeply for my consideration or understanding at this level.
- The beginning of the audio was more helpful before it went off onto a tangent of these things.
Materialism and the Consumer, March 2000.
Source: (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00546q2)
Key Points:- "Does consumerism - as a cult, a fact, a need, a religion - threaten culture as we have known it, individuality as we desire it, life as we aspire to its best condition? Is the march of Mammon an army of jack-booted businessmen, using the propaganda of advertising and the seduction of the supermarket to trample us into submission, and into the worshipping of the great god - Buy? Or is the consumer the new source of power? A truer, more democratic individual freedom?
- "How has ‘getting and spending’ come to enjoy the place of importance it holds in our lives, and why have we so often seen shopping as in opposition to some notion of our ‘true natures’?"
- With Rachel Bowlby, Professor of English, University of York and author of Carried Away: The Invention of Modern Shopping; William Gibson, science fiction writer and author of Neuromancer and All Tomorrow’s Parties.
- Conspicuous consumption - vablen - the consumer is a men rivalling with other men, needing to display wealth
- Wealth being put on show
- Pleasure in shopping 1890
- modern window shopping experience is a changing point - evolution of cities -
- Wordsworth -
- advertisers - you will never have enough- how advertisers manipulate
- Window shopping is about comparison - one can distinguish between one object and the next of a similar kind - distinguishing degree of glamour or desirability.
- Specialist nature of retailing in London.
- Department store - changes shopping 'the cathedral of modern commerce'
- supermarket - efficient, necessary. whereas, department store is for dreaming, imaginary.
- The critique of advertising is much more powerful in the 50s and 60s where they were like 'were being manipulated and theres nothing we can do about it' whereas today were ok with it. The idea now is much more one of the consumer in control - the ideology of advertising is a more empowered consumer.
- It's fun seeing what 'levi's will do next to make you buy the next pair of jeans'.
- Why we buy things because of their associations with elegance, the advertising.
- High art values with values of the commercial world
- Art cast in opposition to this????
- Do you think that the values of the marketplace are still thought to be at odds with the values of high culture? They could work together rather than the opposition.
- Pop art - high art values with values of the commercial world.
- Warhol - celeb and high earner. Artsist seperating themselves
- "Can artists have an outside view of the consumer culture or are we all consumed by it?"
- -It seems to be impossible to have bohemias
- Can consumer culture be looked at politically in terms of exposing it?
- In favour of consuming - we need to consume. This is what we do, we need to do it more consciously.
- The inevitable isn't so bad.
- I'm more interested in this audio documentary especially as it covers shopping, pleasure, how advertises manipulate consumer, rather than the previous episode.
- Have to remember the time stamp on this - 17 years ago. Though, it has direct similarities with today's world.
- The underlying themes or frameworks of my practise is more about advertising than money?
- This episode spent the majority of it speaking about advertising, but then went on to talk a lot about art which I was not expecting. At this time (2000s) I think a critique of the market was just emerging, with artists like Warhol being an exception, and artist Landy emerging this concept with 'closing down sale' 1990, but it was rarer to see art in thrall to the market, than critiquing it.
- It seems art or the artist hid from this relationship with the market in the past, until it started to become conceptual or contemporary.
- Maybe my art today is a complete reaction against this - I want everyone to know about this relationship with the market.
Further research: http://www.minimum-wage.co.uk
- I needed to know the price of minimum wage for editing the text accompaniment to my piece, and the way it has increased over the years says something about the economy.
- I was surprised to see the comments on this thread, one in particular caught my attention, about equality and value of money (left).
- Instead of bankers, I replaced that word with artist and it's the same context. Why should they get 'million pound bonuses' 'who says they do a better job' 'no equality'. Just brings to mind the value of the artists wage.
Further research: Materialism, 2008 Documentary from the same author.
Source: (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b009ydlj)
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